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Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle
The new gags change everything.
This gag has a RADICAL effect on cog behavior, and to not take take this into serious consideration and include this in at LEAST the rules of uber and small toon play would throw into question what anyone in CCG would believe is for the better of the group and its participants.
IMHO - and I would not be alone - if someone threw this gag out and someone blindly insisted on hitting the right cog, they would be making a deliberate effort to endanger any small toons in the lineup over either ignorance or refusal to "do the right thing". This may be construed as griefing if they didnt at least humor everyone else and go along with it.
This is a SIMPLE procedure and it really REALLY needs to be considered as part of the rules.
I encourage the ambassadors to look at this very simple but very very essential strategy if we care about our fellow members and want to be party to their success and not to blame for their early and unnecessary demise.
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Flippers that career in the diplomatic corps is
definately not for you
(Me either before you say :P
).
I was on the run with you which I think spawns this new topic; it was my toon which threw out the presentation after you shouted at us for something we didn't do right on the first skele < whatever that was>. Both the presentation and a pair of goggles hit and so we ended up with a
very lured set of cogs.
You obviously were aware of the potential of the new gag and wanted to keep killing the new cog. For a 3 hander, two of whom were high laff 118 and 128 and one er not, it clearly was a safer option for the lowerish laffer to do so, and its what we settled down to do. Sorry to PRW? (I think) for the less than diplomatic way this was communicated. I wish I had "trust me" or "dont worry" rather than simply disagreeing with you request to choose a different cog. I apologise if I was rude in doing so. It certainly was
not my intention.
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Originally Posted by banana brain
When followed, LLKR works best for all toons and gives every toon the best chance to survive the cogs and skeles.
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I am torn on the new gags. I agree that LLKR has stood the guild well for long before I ever showed up and that keeping it simple has
real benefits. I also believe that, in appropriate circumstances*, we should not leave common sense behind us in the pit in a legalistic approach to LLKR. In some circumstances it is
not the safest course to give every toon the best chance to survive.
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Originally Posted by banana brain
We were amazingly successful prior to level seven gags by following LLKR and we will continue to have the same success rate even if a level seven gag is never used.
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I agree 100%. If the seven's stay in the bag or are used like other group lures then our success rate will, in all liklihood, remain just as before. To do so in
all circumstances, however is to ignore the potential of the new gags to improve the prospects of success. This is especially so for teeny laffers (who can't take a big hit, and if lure misses in the skeles
will go back to the PG if they don't jump or unless a "cogs miss" has been played.) The presentation gag, if it hits, gives the potential for not having to rely on any further lures hitting period.
Our strategy guide has a section on playing with ubers. Is it worth at least considering a section on use of the presentation gag? Things move on and we adapt to new circumstances. When was the last time you saw anyone rigidly LLKR the 1st HW12 flanked by CC1s in the cog round?
We have one Rule - No shuffling. Everything else is gravy. Guidance is just that; not rules. That said, If someone adheres to LLKR when Purrloined would rather hit the new cog rather than the presentationally lured set, he will
certainly NOT consider this to be griefing. Heck he is delighted to load without shuffle to have a chance to fight for the opportunity to dance.
McHaggis aka Purrloined
*appropriate circumstances are a matter of debate. They would
not include, imo, where you are sided with a CC1 that is clearly not an uber, or indeed where sided with
any toons who would be put in real danger of attack from 2 big cogs - (if L and R were killed). It would
not include situations where you are with unfamiliar unmaxxed toons. OTOH where an uber is sided with robust and, even better, familiar toons even if not sf, most are happy to let the uber lead.