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Strategy for battling with an uber
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Copied from Dizzy Twinklemuffin's Post:
Uber Strategy Reminder
I'm going to take this opportunity to explain a couple of the reasons behind uber strategy. This is all dependent on it being a true uber and not just a low laff. An uber is someone who *chooses* not to advance their laff beyond a certain level for whatever reason. Commonly, a vp uber is not above 50 laff (most common below 43) and a cfo uber is not above 80 laff.
This thread was originally intended to give high laff toons some tips to battle with us ubers, but I have received some requests to add in points for the uber as well. Italicized points are for the uber.
Let's all go for the same cog. (VP)
I understand when you say, "No problem." that you have enough gags and that your gags are maxed. My gags are maxed, as well, but I'm not going to kill an additional cog. The problem, for an uber, is that we DON'T have 80 gags... most of us have 35 gags. Some have 30 gags, and the 16 laffers only have 20 gags. If we have to use up our group lure in cog round, it is possible we will get sided in skel with all lureless toons (I've had it happen before and didn't have a restock and ended up going sad from it). Also, under normal LLKR one at a time strategy, a restock shouldn't be needed. You may think that killing a separate cog conserves gags, but if you use up your big gags in cog round and I get sided with you, my big gags are the only ones left. Here is another scenario:
- We kill a 7 and you kill a 7
- (2) 12s come out
- Lure fails
- Both 12s hit me and I'm toast.
It isn't that I doubt your gags or your ability, but I do doubt lure at all times. Don't tell me it's unlikely because I've had it happen more than once.
For the uber: It is all important for you to lead by example and only kill one cog at a time. It confuses players when you tell them to go for the same cog and then you kill another cog.
Let's use lure! (VP)
Just as above, if you kill all 4 cogs with sound, we have 4 fresh cogs and if lure fails, the uber could be toast. FYI - I only know 1 cash uber that is soundless and the rest of us LOVE our foghorns! Break them out... Mousewife and Super Dizzy even carry bike horns.
For the uber: If you are the least bit uncomfortable with toons sounding, please say something! If 4 fresh cogs come out and lure misses, or if sound itself misses, it is most likely you that is going back to the playground, not them. If you can't convince them not to sound, I recommend using a gag that will kill one of the cogs alone so you only have 3 hitting you. For instance, all cogs standing are level 8 and below and the toons have enough sound power up to kill all standing cogs. Best to pick a hose on a 4 or a cake on an 8 so that if sound misses you only have 3 cogs attacking you.
Another note for the uber: It is extremely unwise to work lure in VP. Unmaxed lure has a nasty habit of wearing off earlier than expected, and this could result in your sadness.
I need a toon up. No, thank you. (VP pie fight only)
Most toons that have uber toons already have another larger suit. It is only a very rare uber that doesn't have a high laff toon first. We already know how to jump, we are very familiar with the location of the "I need a toon up" phrase, and most of us take an uber in for the sheer challenge, knowing we could go sad at any moment. Personally, if you toon me in the pie fight and the vp jumps at that time, I
WILL miss that jump. Certainly check laff levels and feel free to try to toon if someone is below 10 laff, but the best way to find out if a toon needs pied is to simply ask, "Would you like some help?" or "How are you doing?" I've not met one uber toon yet that wouldn't ask for a toon up if he/she needed one. I myself have only asked for toon up once on my uber when I was at 4 laff, and as someone started to pie me, the vp jumped and I went back to the pg. I would rather dance at 4 laff than risk missing the jump. Each uber, just as each "regular" toon, has their own comfort zone and if our laff drops below that comfort zone we will be the first to tell you.
Along these same lines, if you pie a toon in vp and they say, "No" or "No thank you" do NOT chase them down trying to pie them. Leave them alone.
For the uber: If you get uncomfortable about your laff and nobody is tooning you, it is your responsibility to either convey in speedchat that you need a toon up or hang way back and throw pies from afar so at least the gears don't hit you. Often if a toon is way back, higher laff toons will click on that toon to see what their laff is. Some excellent speedchats that are easy to find to let people know you need help are:- No.
- :-( (sad face on the sad menu)
- Help! (battle menu)
- Ouch! (sad menu)
- I need more laff points (sad menu)
- Oh no! (sad menu)
I have enough gags. (VP and CFO)
My assumption is that if an uber puts up a cake, it is either maxed or will do the proper amount of damage to kill that cog. Most times, if an uber's gag is not maxed, he/she will simply say, "I need more gags", "Can you help me?", or "I haven't found it yet." At that point, treat that particular gag as if it were the next level down until you see the actual point damage it will do. I rarely say, "I have enough gags" unless I'm with toons I've never seen before. If a toon says "I have enough gags" then you can safely assume that gag is maxed or will at least kill that particular cog.
For the uber: Don't feel like you are trying to get a free ride by passing. If the gags chosen will kill the cog in question, save your gag, not to save a bean but to be better prepared for the next round.
Another note for the uber: If your gag is not maxed, please use the speedchat phrase, "I haven't found it yet."
Additional note from
Wyld Stallyns: You might see an uber pass in certain occasions. It's not that we don't want to help, but we don't carry all THAT many gags and if there's unquestionably enough already shown to kill a cog we might not contribute on this one.
I need more gags. (VP)
If you are concerned if an uber has enough gags between rounds, please ask! If you don't have the phrase, "Got gags?" another way is, "I have enough gags. How are you doing?" If an uber says, "I have enough gags." there is no reason to use a unite to gag up. If you aren't sure what type of gags to unite and you don't have a gag up all, then a safe bet is to gag up throw.
For the uber: If you find yourself short on gags, please ask. The best way to convey what gags you are in need of is by saying, "I need more gags." and then state what type of gags you need, such as, "Let's use lure! Let's use squirt!" etc. Only ask for the gags that you need.
May I operate the crane? (CFO)
The safest place for a cash uber in the crane fight is right behind the crane, out of the way of possible goon swarms and where we have a bird's eye view of when the swarms are heading our direction. I do know one cash uber that is a stomper and I have never even seen her attempt to take a crane... but it's ok because she is one of the best stompers I've ever seen. I, however, am NOT a good stomper and I often get Dizzy (123 laff) down to 30 laff or below. My ubers would be in the playground if I lost that much laff.
For the uber: If you are a craner, ask for a crane. If you are a stomper, ask to stomp. Most high laffs are happy to let you go where you are most comfortable, and by letting them know ahead of time, they are often willing to switch with you.
I need more jellybeans.
Please feel free to bean us before the run as it is possible we may be taking a quick trip back to the gag shop empty of gags.
Did you win? No.
We know going in that we could go sad. I don't know any ubers that have gotten upset at going sad if proper strategy is displayed. Feel free to offer a revenge if you would like. If you are unable to offer a revenge, there are no hard feelings. It just means we can put off another trip in factory or mint and getting stinked. After all, it's just beans.
I think this is too risky for you.
Ha ha! That's funny. Don't let our laff frighten you... if an uber is uncomfortable loading, they won't load. Since most ubers have big toons, you can usually expect excellent strategy from an uber.
For the uber: Would like to reiterate that if you are uncomfortable loading, don't load. If someone boards after you that you are uncomfortable being with, it does not give you reason to jump off the vator though. Stick it out the best you can. Boarding prior to actual load time will often be riskier than waiting till the end. Many high laff/high suit toons want to give others the chance to board first so they wait until the end. The non-members are typically anxious and will load early.
Additional note from
Wyld Stallyns: If you think it's too risky for you to board with me, feel free to not load. But don't shuffle!
Let's ride!
It is a well known fact that our ubers like to have fun. I've seen
pppickles pull out a flower pot or 2,
Mousewife loves her cupcakes and squirt guns, and it just isn't a CFO without
Dawn That muttering, "Good grief." as she blasts the cogs with a bike horn. An uber's best friend is typically their doodle and we also love to show them off...
Quacked Up has a maxed doodle that loves to jump because she knows she will get a handsome reward after the fight.
Dance!
The dances we dance are so worth it, and you might even notice that ubers have a little spring in their step in the final dance. A battle with an uber is like no other and you should consider yourself lucky to have a run blessed with one of these fine players.
Final note for an uber: Regardless of what cards and unites are used, you are not obligated to dance under any circumstances. If you are the type to dance for any card, then dance to your heart's content! If you are picky about the cards you dance for, don't worry about alting out, especially if your next run is 5500 merits! Personally, before I maxed my uber I only danced for 5 star, Toons Hit, Cogs Miss, and Franz Neckvein. These cards will help insure your next dance. It is silly to dance for a Melody Wavers (restock sound) if you can't sound, and a Clerk Will will only kill off baby cogs, which you should try to keep around.